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	<title>Comments on: Burien&#8217;s Red Light Cameras On Track To Gross Over $654,000 In First Year, Nearly 3x Projected Revenue</title>
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		<title>By: D. James</title>
		<link>http://www.b-townblog.com/2009/10/22/buriens-red-light-cameras-on-track-to-gross-over-654000-in-first-year-nearly-3x-projected-revenue/comment-page-1/#comment-20474</link>
		<dc:creator>D. James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Red Light Cameras are about revenue!  Even if they violate Washington State Law, as do the cameras at 1st Ave South &amp; 160th St.  Washington State law specifically states they are to ONLY be used where TWO ARTERIALS Intersect!!!  The Intersection at 1st and160th is at the least a 5-Way if not a 6-Way intersection.  See City of Seattle, Judge Francis DeVilla&#039;s decision about throwing all the Red Light tickets out in intersections that are not in compliance with state law.

Burien often does not do their homework and selectively enforces their own codes and those of the county.  Nothing. new.

The class action suit will catch up with Burien and they will have to refund all the fines from at least that intersection.  Let&#039;s see how they budget for that???

DJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Red Light Cameras are about revenue!  Even if they violate Washington State Law, as do the cameras at 1st Ave South &amp; 160th St.  Washington State law specifically states they are to ONLY be used where TWO ARTERIALS Intersect!!!  The Intersection at 1st and160th is at the least a 5-Way if not a 6-Way intersection.  See City of Seattle, Judge Francis DeVilla&#8217;s decision about throwing all the Red Light tickets out in intersections that are not in compliance with state law.</p>
<p>Burien often does not do their homework and selectively enforces their own codes and those of the county.  Nothing. new.</p>
<p>The class action suit will catch up with Burien and they will have to refund all the fines from at least that intersection.  Let&#8217;s see how they budget for that???</p>
<p>DJ</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.b-townblog.com/2009/10/22/buriens-red-light-cameras-on-track-to-gross-over-654000-in-first-year-nearly-3x-projected-revenue/comment-page-1/#comment-18521</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are lots of crimes, very few are such effective revenue generators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are lots of crimes, very few are such effective revenue generators.</p>
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		<title>By: Seahurst Camera Shy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seahurst Camera Shy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if you know big brother is watching&quot;   I don&#039;t want big brother watching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if you know big brother is watching&#8221;   I don&#8217;t want big brother watching.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.b-townblog.com/2009/10/22/buriens-red-light-cameras-on-track-to-gross-over-654000-in-first-year-nearly-3x-projected-revenue/comment-page-1/#comment-18420</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want everyone to be aware that the  vast majority of tickets are due to harmless rolling right turns and not what people typically think of as running a red light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want everyone to be aware that the  vast majority of tickets are due to harmless rolling right turns and not what people typically think of as running a red light.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Schaefer</title>
		<link>http://www.b-townblog.com/2009/10/22/buriens-red-light-cameras-on-track-to-gross-over-654000-in-first-year-nearly-3x-projected-revenue/comment-page-1/#comment-18318</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Schaefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted this under Crime because running a red light is a crime, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this under Crime because running a red light is a crime, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Rainycity</title>
		<link>http://www.b-townblog.com/2009/10/22/buriens-red-light-cameras-on-track-to-gross-over-654000-in-first-year-nearly-3x-projected-revenue/comment-page-1/#comment-18317</link>
		<dc:creator>Rainycity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is this under the crime section instead of the business section??</description>
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		<title>By: Barnet</title>
		<link>http://www.b-townblog.com/2009/10/22/buriens-red-light-cameras-on-track-to-gross-over-654000-in-first-year-nearly-3x-projected-revenue/comment-page-1/#comment-18241</link>
		<dc:creator>Barnet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(4) The law also attempts to invalidate our U.S. Constitutional rights to due process of law, self-incrimination, right of the accused to face their accuser, be considered innocent UNTIL proven guilty and the right to quantify accusatory evidence (see Melendez Diaz v Massachusetts 6/2009) and let&#039;s not forget taxation without representation. 

(5) These cameras are not required to meet any government criteria or standards. When you buy a pound of hamburger, buy a gallon of gas or take a cab ride all these transactions are regulated by certified instruments, why not the RED LIGHT TICKET CAMERAS? 

(6) When the public travels via escalator, elevator, passenger car, airplane, bus, ocean liner, etc. there is a natural public expectation these conveyances operate in a safe manner. Numerous government inspection laws and safety regulations were enacted to preserve the citizen&#039;s rights to safe travel. To date, no government entity has established a single camera enforcement standard to protect motorists and pedestrians from malfunctioning cameras. Enforcement cameras around the country continue to malfunction, be improperly engineered, installed inadequately, poorly maintained while issuing millions in citation revenue. Many communities have reduced landscaping budgets while tree and vegetation growth goes untrimmed while cameras continue issuing invalid red light citations. Only the adept legal observer would notice the subtle change to the video evidence. Defendant camera vendors continue to exculpate themselves or limit liability for deaths is outrageous and unconscionable. This is why the State of Illinois among others requires a release of liability before issuing a camera enforcement permit.
 

See Motorists.org.Â 
Georgia residents can be proud of their additional yellow time law that promotes safety and reduces third party incentive-driven law enforcement.
BTW, Illinois law for stopping does not specify any degree of time, it says that stop means a complete cessation of all forward movement, but due to the camera&#039;s low frame per second rate a short time may not be recorded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(4) The law also attempts to invalidate our U.S. Constitutional rights to due process of law, self-incrimination, right of the accused to face their accuser, be considered innocent UNTIL proven guilty and the right to quantify accusatory evidence (see Melendez Diaz v Massachusetts 6/2009) and let&#8217;s not forget taxation without representation. </p>
<p>(5) These cameras are not required to meet any government criteria or standards. When you buy a pound of hamburger, buy a gallon of gas or take a cab ride all these transactions are regulated by certified instruments, why not the RED LIGHT TICKET CAMERAS? </p>
<p>(6) When the public travels via escalator, elevator, passenger car, airplane, bus, ocean liner, etc. there is a natural public expectation these conveyances operate in a safe manner. Numerous government inspection laws and safety regulations were enacted to preserve the citizen&#8217;s rights to safe travel. To date, no government entity has established a single camera enforcement standard to protect motorists and pedestrians from malfunctioning cameras. Enforcement cameras around the country continue to malfunction, be improperly engineered, installed inadequately, poorly maintained while issuing millions in citation revenue. Many communities have reduced landscaping budgets while tree and vegetation growth goes untrimmed while cameras continue issuing invalid red light citations. Only the adept legal observer would notice the subtle change to the video evidence. Defendant camera vendors continue to exculpate themselves or limit liability for deaths is outrageous and unconscionable. This is why the State of Illinois among others requires a release of liability before issuing a camera enforcement permit.</p>
<p>See Motorists.org.Â <br />
Georgia residents can be proud of their additional yellow time law that promotes safety and reduces third party incentive-driven law enforcement.<br />
BTW, Illinois law for stopping does not specify any degree of time, it says that stop means a complete cessation of all forward movement, but due to the camera&#8217;s low frame per second rate a short time may not be recorded.</p>
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		<title>By: Barnet</title>
		<link>http://www.b-townblog.com/2009/10/22/buriens-red-light-cameras-on-track-to-gross-over-654000-in-first-year-nearly-3x-projected-revenue/comment-page-1/#comment-18240</link>
		<dc:creator>Barnet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For evidence of Chicago&#039;s short yellows Google &quot;MrBFagel&quot; 

Having amassed a comprehensive library of Red Light Camera material, performed traffic safety research field studies and their effect for over 3 years, please read some results of this endeavor I present some of my observations. Also seeÂ motorists.org
 
(1) Most State physical driving exams do not test a driver&#039;s ability to precisely position a vehicle&#039;s front tires at the white stop line. The camera&#039;s unflinching pinpoint accuracy to within inches establishes a much higher degree of vehicle positioning. This degree of accuracy is not tested during a physical driving test. Video instant replay is not part of driving school routines or testing program, they usually employ human driving examiners. 

(2) Red light camera video evidence may be interpreted differently according to local jurisdictional POLICIES established by each city&#039;s perceived standards interpretation. This also may be influenced by 3rd party camera vendors&#039; own standards. 

(3) Law on this subject provides tolerance for equipment faults or errors, the cameras are never wrong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For evidence of Chicago&#8217;s short yellows Google &#8220;MrBFagel&#8221; </p>
<p>Having amassed a comprehensive library of Red Light Camera material, performed traffic safety research field studies and their effect for over 3 years, please read some results of this endeavor I present some of my observations. Also seeÂ motorists.org</p>
<p>(1) Most State physical driving exams do not test a driver&#8217;s ability to precisely position a vehicle&#8217;s front tires at the white stop line. The camera&#8217;s unflinching pinpoint accuracy to within inches establishes a much higher degree of vehicle positioning. This degree of accuracy is not tested during a physical driving test. Video instant replay is not part of driving school routines or testing program, they usually employ human driving examiners. </p>
<p>(2) Red light camera video evidence may be interpreted differently according to local jurisdictional POLICIES established by each city&#8217;s perceived standards interpretation. This also may be influenced by 3rd party camera vendors&#8217; own standards. </p>
<p>(3) Law on this subject provides tolerance for equipment faults or errors, the cameras are never wrong!</p>
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		<title>By: Barnet</title>
		<link>http://www.b-townblog.com/2009/10/22/buriens-red-light-cameras-on-track-to-gross-over-654000-in-first-year-nearly-3x-projected-revenue/comment-page-1/#comment-18239</link>
		<dc:creator>Barnet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chicago has the dubious title of red light ticket camera capital of the US. Not proud of that but the benefit is after many years field research and study I would be happy to share the information for the sake of safety.
The discussion on this web site has been about money. If your ordinance is anything like Chicago many Constitutional protections are ignored. I will submit certain paragraphs in multiple posts so as to not overload. See motorists.org

One of the reasons Chicago pulls in over $48M per year is because most of the yellow light durations are three seconds or under with rare exception. People drive towards intersections with their foot poised over their collective brake pedals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chicago has the dubious title of red light ticket camera capital of the US. Not proud of that but the benefit is after many years field research and study I would be happy to share the information for the sake of safety.<br />
The discussion on this web site has been about money. If your ordinance is anything like Chicago many Constitutional protections are ignored. I will submit certain paragraphs in multiple posts so as to not overload. See motorists.org</p>
<p>One of the reasons Chicago pulls in over $48M per year is because most of the yellow light durations are three seconds or under with rare exception. People drive towards intersections with their foot poised over their collective brake pedals.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume that the city can program the red/yellow/green signals, the equations for how much of your car is on the intersection for a ticket, the other lights before and after intersection...to maximize the amount of buck$ collected.  But shouldn&#039;t get too greedy because you will discourage taxpayers coming to the city to buy a Condo, shop, eat...  

Guess the city should hire a Systems Engineer.  Probably lots of them looking for work now that Boeing has almost finished designing the 787 and 747-8.   Even cheaper might be some students from Highline High School.     

Not easy being a City Mother or Father having to make all these tradeoffs.  Maximizing their power and how much money they can spend on what people *need* rather than what they *want.&quot;

Who is John Galt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume that the city can program the red/yellow/green signals, the equations for how much of your car is on the intersection for a ticket, the other lights before and after intersection&#8230;to maximize the amount of buck$ collected.  But shouldn&#8217;t get too greedy because you will discourage taxpayers coming to the city to buy a Condo, shop, eat&#8230;  </p>
<p>Guess the city should hire a Systems Engineer.  Probably lots of them looking for work now that Boeing has almost finished designing the 787 and 747-8.   Even cheaper might be some students from Highline High School.     </p>
<p>Not easy being a City Mother or Father having to make all these tradeoffs.  Maximizing their power and how much money they can spend on what people *need* rather than what they *want.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who is John Galt?</p>
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